The otherwordly cardinals

I’d like to introduce and discuss the otherworldly cardinals, a large cardinal notion that frequently arises in set-theoretic analysis, but which until now doesn’t seem yet to have been given its own special name. So let us do so here.

I was put on to the topic by Jason Chen, a PhD student at UC Irvine working with Toby Meadows, who brought up the topic recently on Twitter:

In response, I had suggested the otherworldly terminology, a play on the fact that the two cardinals will both be worldly, and so we have in essence two closely related worlds, looking alike. We discussed the best way to implement the terminology and its extensions. The main idea is the following:

Main Definition. An ordinal κ is otherworldly if VκVλ for some ordinal λ>κ. In this case, we say that κ is otherworldly to λ.

It is an interesting exercise to see that every otherworldly cardinal κ is in fact also worldly, which means VκZFC, and from this it follows that κ is a strong limit cardinal and indeed a -fixed point and even a -hyperfixed point and more.

Theorem. Every otherworldly cardinal is also worldly.

Proof. Suppose that κ is otherworldly, so that VκVλ for some ordinal λ>κ. It follows that κ must in fact be a cardinal, since otherwise it would be the order type of a relation on a set in Vκ, which would be isomorphic to an ordinal in Vλ but not in Vκ. And since ω is not otherworldly, we see that κ must be an uncountable cardinal. Since Vκ is transitive, we get now easily that Vκ satisfies extensionality, regularity, union, pairing, power set, separation and infinity. The only axiom remaining is replacement. If φ(a,b) obeys a functional relation in Vκ for all aA, where AVκ, then Vλ agrees with that, and also sees that the range is contained in Vκ, which is a set in Vλ. So Vκ agrees that the range is a set. So Vκ fulfills the replacement axiom. ◻

Corollary. A cardinal is otherworldly if and only if it is fully correct in a worldly cardinal.

Proof. Once you know that otherworldly cardinals are worldly, this amounts to a restatement of the definition. If VκVλ, then λ is worldly, and Vκ is correct in Vλ. ◻

Let me prove next that whenever you have an otherworldly cardinal, then you will also have a lot of worldly cardinals, not just these two.

Theorem. Every otherworldly cardinal κ is a limit of worldly cardinals. What is more, every otherworldly cardinal is a limit of worldly cardinals having exactly the same first-order theory as Vκ, and indeed, the same α-order theory for any particular α<κ.

Proof. If VκVλ, then Vλ can see that κ is worldly and has the theory T that it does. So Vλ thinks, about T, that there is a cardinal whose rank initial segment has theory T. Thus, Vκ also thinks this. And we can find arbitrarily large δ up to κ such that Vδ has this same theory. This argument works whether one uses the first-order theory, or the second-order theory or indeed the α-order theory for any α<κ. ◻

Theorem. If κ is otherworldly, then for every ordinal α<κ and natural number n, there is a cardinal δ<κ with VδΣnVκ and the α-order theory of Vδ is the same as Vκ.

Proof. One can do the same as above, since Vλ can see that Vκ has the α-order theory that it does, while also agreeing on Σn truth with Vλ, so Vκ will agree that there should be such a cardinal δ<κ. ◻

Definition. We say that a cardinal is totally otherworldly, if it is otherworldly to arbitrarily large ordinals. It is otherworldly beyond θ, if it is otherworldly to some ordinal larger than θ. It is otherworldly up to δ, if it is otherworldly to ordinals cofinal in δ.

Theorem. Every inaccessible cardinal δ is a limit of otherworldly cardinals that are each otherworldly up to and to δ.

Proof. If δ is inaccessible, then a simple Löwenheim-Skolem construction shows that Vκ is the union of a continuous elementary chain Vκ0Vκ1VκαVκ Each of the cardinals κα arising on this chain is otherworldly up to and to δ. ◻

Theorem. Every totally otherworldly cardinal is Σ2 correct, meaning VκΣ2V. Consequently, every totally otherworldly cardinal is larger than the least measurable cardinal, if it exists, and larger than the least superstrong cardinal, if it exists, and larger than the least huge cardinal, if it exists.

Proof. Every Σ2 assertion is locally verifiable in the Vα hierarchy, in that it is equivalent to an assertion of the form ηVηψ (for more information, see my post about Local properties in set theory). Thus, every true Σ2 assertion is revealed inside any sufficiently large Vλ, and so if VκVλ for arbitrarily large λ, then Vκ will agree on those truths. ◻

I was a little confused at first about how two totally otherwordly cardinals interact, but now everything is clear with this next result. (Thanks to Hanul Jeon for his helpful comment below.)

Theorem. If κ<δ are both totally otherworldly, then κ is otherworldly up to δ, and hence totally otherworldly in Vδ.

Proof. Since δ is totally otherworldly, it is Σ2 correct. Since for every α<δ the cardinal κ is otherworldly beyond α, meaning VκVλ for some λ>α, then since this is a Σ2 feature of κ, it must already be true inside Vδ. So such a λ can be found below δ, and so κ is otherworldly up to δ. ◻

Theorem. If κ is totally otherworldly, then κ is a limit of otherworldly cardinals, and indeed, a limit of otherworldly cardinals having the same theory as Vκ.

Proof. Assume κ is totally otherworldly, let T be the theory of Vκ, and consider any α<κ. Since there is an otherworldly cardinal above α with theory T, namely κ, and because this is a Σ2 fact about α and T, it follows that there must be such a cardinal above α inside Vκ. So κ is a limit of otherworldly cardinals with the same theory as Vκ. ◻

The results above show that the consistency strength of the hypotheses are ordered as follows, with strict increases in consistency strength as you go up (assuming consistency):

  • ZFC + there is an inaccessible cardinal
  • ZFC + there is a proper class of totally otherworldly cardinals
  • ZFC + there is a totally otherworldly cardinal
  • ZFC + there is a proper class of otherworldly cardinals
  • ZFC + there is an otherworldly cardinal
  • ZFC + there is a proper class of worldly cardinals
  • ZFC + there is a worldly cardinal
  • ZFC + there is a transitive model of ZFC
  • ZFC + Con(ZFC)
  • ZFC

We might consider the natural strengthenings of otherworldliness, where one wants VκVλ where λ is itself otherworldly. That is, κ is the beginning of an elementary chain of three models, not just two. This is different from having merely that VκVλ and VκVη for some η>λ, because perhaps Vλ is not elementary in Vη, even though Vκ is. Extending successively is a more demanding requirement.

One then naturally wants longer and longer chains, and ultimately we find ourselves considering various notions of rank in the rank elementary forest, which is the relation κλVκVλ. The otherworldly cardinals are simply the non-maximal nodes in this order, while it will be interesting to consider the nodes that can be extended to longer elementary chains.

12 thoughts on “The otherwordly cardinals

  1. I think the existence of a Σ2-correct cardinal above a totally otherworldly cardinal implies the consistency of the existence of a totally otherworldly.

    Let κ be a totally otherworldly cardinal and λ>κ be a Σ2-correct cardinal. Take α<λ and β>α such that VκVβ.

    Since Vβ+1(β>αVκVβ), we have Vβ+1ξ(ξ>αVκVξ).
    By Σ2-correctness of λ, there is γ<λ with γ>αVκVγ). Hence Vλ(ξ(ξ>αVκVξ). Since α is arbitrary, Vλ thinks κ is totally otherworldly.

    Since every totally otherworldly cardinal is Σ2-correct, the existence of two totally otherworldly cardinals implies the consistency of the existence of a totally otherworldly cardinal.

    • Your comment was garbled a little, and I tried to edit it, but now I have become confused about your argument; perhaps I have made a mistake with editing—I apologize. We don’t know that Vλ is worldly, so how does your conclusion work?

      • Since ZFC proves that the Σ2-correct cardinals are unbounded, we cannot expect to prove in ZFC that if there is an totally otherworldly cardinal with a Σ2-correct cardinal above, then Con(totally otherworldly), since this would violate the incompleteness theorem.

        • Oh, I see now. The Sigma_2 correct cardinal you intend to use is the other totally otherworldly cardinal. This seems to work perfectly and it resolves my issue. Thanks! I’ll update the post tomorrow.

          • Sorry for checking your reply lately. My initial statement is somewhat misleading: it should be as “if κ is a totally otherworldly and λ is a Σ2-correct cardinal larger than κ, then Vλ sees κ is totally otherworldly.” As you pointed out, this statement itself implies no results about consistency strength.

            If λ is also worldly, then Vλ is a model of ZFC with a totally otherworldly cardinal. You proved that a totally otherworldly cardinal is Σ2-correct worldly cardinal, so we have the desired result.

  2. Two questions/observations:

    1. Are otherworldly cardinals downward absolute (we know that worldlies, in general, are not)?

    2. We always knew that strength and size didn’t go hand in hand (e.g. strong vs. superstrong cardinals). But this is really crazy how big the least totally otherworldly is in the presence of other large cardinals. I guess then we then have “there exists a measurable/huge/whatever and a totally otherworldly” is stronger than “there exists a measurable/huge/whatever and an inaccessible” (since in the latter, the inaccessible is redundant).

    • For question 1, I guess you mean downward absolute to transitive inner models? If so, the answer is negative, and I think it is a little easier even than in the worldly case. Suppose κ is otherworldly to λ. This is preserved by the forcing of the GCH, so we may assume GCH. Now force violations to the GCH with Easton forcing at every successor. This also preserves otherworldliness. But if we stop this latter forcing at κ, then this would be an inner model where κ is no longer otherworldly, since the GCH holds above κ but fails unboundedly often below.

      (I made a few edits to this comment.)

      For question 2, I agree.

  3. Is every totally otherworldly cardinal Σ3-correct? From the Observation 12 in the article “Resurrection Axioms and Uplifting Cardinals”, every uplifting cardinal, which is analogous to a totally otherworldly cardinal but is inaccessible and with inaccessible targets, is Σ3-correct. Does it also apply on totally otherworldly cardinals?

    • Yes, every totally otherworldly cardinal κ is Σ3 correct. First, it is easy to see that it is Σ2 correct, since the truth of Σ2 statements are witnessed inside any sufficiently large Vα, and so if such a statement is true in V, then by total otherworldliness, we may reflect from any Vλ above α down to κ, and so the statement is already true in Vκ. For Σ3 correctness, we use that every Π3 statement is asserting that there is an object a for which all sufficiently large Vα satisfy ψ(a), for some formula ψ. If VκVλ for some λ large enough, then Vλ will see that all sufficiently large Vα satisfy ψ(a). By elementarity, Vκ will think there is such an a already. So Vκ is Σ3 correct. (And you are right that this is essentially the same as Observation 12 in the Resurrection Axioms paper.)

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